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the fight


wow the fight, was something different today, i hope no one got hurt. i saw a chair fly in the air at one point. i duno how kampi stop that one. i see big man  from epsom come off the bench and fly a punch at a dude from sunics. i think it was right for that dude from sunics to pull back 2 becuase the way i saw it, he was getting in a nice blow to his face!

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RE: the fight 34 deserves it


 


Don't you think he deserves it. He is still lucky to be in that situation. Have you heard what other teams opinion is. 34 finally had his own dose of medicine. He got banned, pleaded to KAMPI saying he has change, but, have you seen how awfull his actions and behavior inside the court. We also have a copy of the game and he started to make a ggod fist in front of no.14, and that might have spark the fight. Sunics would have been better without him. They are a good team that has just been destroyed by one dirty player that has been banned. Vidad has also been too emotional. He could have delivered agood game rather than an emotional and physical game. Anyway , I bet you, Smart wouldn't mind a rematch. Lets face it, its not that easy to beat this team knowing they have got pros, but lets also be reminded, they are just like us, normal people who wanted to be with the community.


 



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RE: the fight


i agree with what you are saying, yes i do agree that de guzman guy should not be in the sunics team or in the league. he alomost got into a fight in the psuk last yr and i remember when i was a little boy i use to see him get into fights with tiger ladi think it was.


sunics are a very good team and they are still the team of the future to look at but all they wntd out of dere £500 that they pay is a fair game and a fair chance to win the league. nuttin to do with epsom but with kampi themselves!



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you are definitely right. A lot knew him as a rough rather than a smart player. He doesn't belong to this community. Poor you Sunics. You've come as far as these and you just had him to spoil your well taken cared name. I think Smart doesn't have anything aginst you. It's only that 34 that was added into your team. I have such a good ear that I hear what people are talking about. Hindi tsismosso. Mabilis sa information.

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I don't think you know Sunics well. Mel Landicho is a dirty player, watch your videos! Charles Dela Cruz shouts a lot. Cos he was fed pig's p**** when he was a baby...blah blah..


Joe De Guzman had gone to a wrong team! If that was Tiger Lads, Tikboyz or YAPHI, nobody gets singled out! They'd stick together. Joe would not have got beaten up. Only Joe was fighting, other Sunics players were bystanders. Where was that big mouth small man Charles dela Cruz and Mel Landicho???


It wasn't a brawl, it was Joe vs Epsom!



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Veteran Player - How immature are you for making comments about others like that. "Fed pigs pekpek and big mouth small man" etc etc. You call yourself a veteran player? yet you make immature comments which are full of nonsense. Its better that some think with their heads and not with their fists. So what, if some Sunics players did not want to fight - They have my respect even more. Yes I agree, most players from both teams play dirty. It happens in the NBA too. Especially in the finals, its bound to get heated. What I dont have respect for is those who think they can pick a fight just so they can prove they're a "big man" or coz they have their pride and ego to protect. At the end of the day there are 2 sides to every story and one will have more bias to the one side than another despite how "neutral" we say we are, we would have formed an opinion regardless. So as a man who's passionate about basketball like many of you, I was abit disappointed at how the finals turned out. I wanted Sunics to win as over the years they have gone better and better. But... Watching the game on Sunday, Epsom did have the edge and they led the game throughout.


The root cause of this fracas is not the players being brawlers regardless if one may have had a reputation of fighting in previous years, but to be honest the ones to blame is the organisation - KAMPI. They are to blame. But NOT all committee members of course but just a handful of committee members who view this basketball league like a "chicken"fight. The talent of these basketball players are exploited and they are used as a means of entertainment and take advantage of gambling their money on who to win the game. So of course, they take control and ensure they game goes in the favour of who they betted to win. Lets face it... Betting of games has been evidently present throughout the years of KAMPI and it has been the committe members who allow it to happen. OK, I'm sure someone will mention... how about betting in pro football - yeah but football players get paid and the betting there is controlled by betting companies and not done by the FA or FIFA officials. The point I'm trying to make is that if the KAMPI was organised better and no betting or corruption existed - which includes not hiring filipino referees too, then it would have been a fairer game and the fight could have been avoided. What makes me even more angry is the fact that KAMPI let this happen in front of our guests - The Ausssie Team. They were in the corner laughing at us Filipino's and taking pictures and vidoes which to me was disgraceful and shameful on the part of the Filipino community. There were aldo kids there, some old enough to think this is normal to fight in basketball and what example is that making to our future generation of filipino's... And to kill it - One committee member went to the aussie team laughing and his exact words were... "Dont worry, this is normal. It happens every year, especially in the finals, we expect it to happen". What a disgrace and this comes from a KAMPI official (mr timekeeper - 3 point shot announcer). What a disgrace... 


Excuse me if I've vented my disappointment with this organisation and I know theres a lot more to say but for a league that is meant to bring the community together all it does is separates eachother even more - and i dont think it is ultimately any one single person to blame but us Filipino's when we are up against other filipino's, our mentality is that we always have to be better than the other filipino person or people. We have too much pride and ego and for a community who are a minority in this country why do we have to fight eachother? You call that community building? So I urge KAMPI officials to fix up in a serious way... They have to clearly review the way their committe is organised...Over the years, they have monopolised the london filipino basketball league and they have become very complacent coz they know most teams will still enter regardless thats why they know they can get away with so many things. Some of the things u need to change >>> Dont show any favourtism to players or teams, have respect for all participants regardless if they were ex PBA pro or a british born street-baller. Stick to your rules and dont change them as it suits you or your schedule or in favour of a team..plus so many other things... oh and dont use Filipino referees. The bottom line is there needs to be changes coz KAMPI may go downhill if they go on the way they are. Dont get me wrong there are about 4 or 5 well respected committe members (inluding the chairman) out of about 50 and they are doing all they can to make this league work well but as i mentioned above, there are a handful of members who dont really contrbute much apart from making the organisation look bad, gossip, backstab the other members, suck up to players and teams and place bets on games. They get free entrance, get free food, kampi jackets, get to sit around the whole Sunday watching the games when really only some of them do all the hard work... Thats all...



-- Edited by dark_knight at 12:51, 2006-12-20

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tsk tsk tsk....I think vateran player meant was pig's pekpek or pig's female genitalia and not pooh. A Filipino saying that means if you talk too much and being worst than a girl. A really not too offensive comment.


We should be careful making accusations about people being corrupt especially when money is invovled. These are all hear'say and unfounded.



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What happened on Sunday was shocking.


There is no place in any sport (apart from WWE, tables, ladders & chairs) for this kind of behaviour. I watched the whole game and you could feel the tension getting worst but it's no excuse.


Bad reffing & weak calls don't help. But the way it started is also totally wrong. Players coming of the bench fists blazing is out of order. It nearly caused a riot and luckily there were no major injuries. I hope the players involved are ashamed as there were many children present and I'm glad my kids were no there to witness it.


I hope lessons have been learnt this season by KAMPI as if they don't improve they will get less & less teams (There were 28 teams in 2004).


Players involved should be banned for 6-12 months.


 


 


 



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RE: CHAIRS FLYING UP HIGH


Do you hnow where the chaim came from? Got the video and it was so clear who carried and threw it out of the court. I surely know thename and definitely can prove with my video. I may at some point say who that person is. I am just trying to print the actual photo on how that person threw the chaip up. You know who you are and do apologize to whoever needs to know. You may be popular in these comung days.

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the funny thing bout the chair flyin is...it could've hit anyone...even their own player (whichever team that idiot came to support). what an idiot. c'mon...expose the fool

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has anyone got a video of the game they cud upload.  Even just the second half. TNX.

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Hopefully soon. KAMPI having a meeting to discuss the fate of some players and future matches. Watch this space.

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Sus ginoo naman dark knight. napaka-sensitive mo. Di na nga tumulong lumaban, di rin umawat...umawat nung lamog na si Joe.

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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2701415759333540599


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thanks for the video although medyo mukhang huli na yata ang timing, hindi na nakita kung paano talaga nagsimula. wala kasi ako during the game.


it just shows how much passion Filipinos have on basketball. Same as football sa mga British / Polish plus turkish pala. Kaya nga din may mga fanatics and hooligans and riots sila.


Kaya one way or another there will be tension, pressure building up during a game. What will be important is how the games are controlled. It must be controlled not only by the Referees but also the Commitee members as well. They are passing the responsibilty of the 'fight' to the referees because its easier. The Commitee should make the final decisions, not referees. Because ultimately, they have the sole responsibility of the organisation. They choose the venues, members, teams and referees (all that can affect the success or failure) of the League.


Ang tanong, kaya ba ng Insurance nila bayaran and kita mo kapag hindi ka na makapag trabaho? Is it worth it mabasagan ka ng mukha, mabalian ka ng buto dahil sa basketball? Who will be responsible? They (Comittee) should have taken adequate 'Due care' sabi nga sa English Law, by having a plan of how to prevent / minimise these situation from happening.


Kapag ako nasaktan during a game, mag file ako ng Claim not only to the offending party, but specially sa organisation responsible for the games.


Matagal na akong nag comment about sa kanilang ways of organisation. Meron ba silang plan kapag may emergency? Sino ang kanilang Certified First Aider? Alam ba nila kung nasaan or kung mayroon silang first aid kit? Ano ang kanilang contingency?


kampi go down hill? I don't think they've even gone up yet!


Lesson for other Leagues.


Hindi ito biro.


Hindi nyo pa nasubukan may mag-sue sa inyo.


Saan kayo tatakbo???


 



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Editor wrote:



http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=2701415759333540599


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Here's my analysis of the video (as you can see, I clearly have too much time in my hands!!!)


They gave the option to continue the game with 4on4 and the rest of the bench of both teams out of the building. That was a valid decision by the referee and I think that referee featured in the video knew what he was talking about. All credit to him...


I also noticed that the other referee quoted #34 Solano from Epsom was the first to throw the punch as he ran off the bench... So does that mean he is banned too? Not sure why everyone is pointing the finger at #34 DeGuzman from Sunics and #34 from Epsom got off lighthly... So from the video the person who was "officially seen" by the referee was #34 from Epsom...So if the game had gone ahead, the ball would have been in Sunics possession and possibly with 2 free throws too. With only 1 minute left and 4vs4 and 11 points down?... I guess we would never know...


What do others think? I welcome your thoughts...


 


 



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What the video doesn't show is how it all started in the first place.  On Balitang Europe you can clearly see #34 De Guzman push #14 Reyes.  For the whole game De Guzman had been giving cheap shots to the Epsom players, with the referees failing to do anything.  Lets not forget De Guzman was previously banned by Kampi for similar actions so there is history of this.  Anyone would start to get frustrated by this and unfortunately #34 Tuason(  not solano) couldn't take anymore of De Guzman's antics.  I don't know if the possession wud have went to Sunics becoz Tuason had already fouled out and was not in the game.  But whatever the outcome the final ruined what had been quite a good season up to that point.  Referees cud have prevented the fight from happening by doing something earlier.  You cud see that tempers were flaring early on, and a little word by the referee threatening to throw 2 players out of the game did nothing to stop the events that happened.  Kampi needs to look at this and sort something out for next year, in case something worse happens.

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good point...

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Yes good point but how? KAMPI will surely ban a few players but KAPIS and PSUK? PSUK had a meeting on Saturday and confirmed that theirs is a Saturday league...so some teams are rushing to join KAPIS instead? wow...and some of you say KAMPI is a bad organisation? KAPIS as some have heard have postponed the opening of their league, is this why? I wouldn't rule it out!!£££££

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jus so u know... KAPIS is more or less KAMPI... It has organisers that came or even come from KAMPI...even the chairman of KAPIS is "Mr Timekeeper" at KAMPI so i doubt it will get any better... I remember in the first year of KAPIS, they advertised the league as a mixed league and then when the league started, one team had like 7 non filipinos so they decided to change the rule to 2 non filipinos playing on the court for each team at any one time... How silly was that... Did you know that KAPIS get lottery funded because its meant to be a mixed league but they still favour only filipinos...

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yaaaaaawwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn,,,,,,,,, I just woke up...........................

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